Groups, Spies, etc.

Hello everyone.
There seems to be some stuff going on, and the direction of groups, members, and justice seems to be blurred and is being debated by many.

I haven't read everything on the issue, if someone wants to give me a summary of some of the details feel free.
But I think Uprising has already offered a pretty good summary:

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Originally Posted by Uprising

In the words on many people...dis shit crayyy.

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As I understand it, God father orchestrated a spying operation aimed against Havok, a mission which B.S.B carried out.

I first learned of this a day or so ago, from Wumbo, my response was pretty much "is there even a point to spying on another group?" And his response was basically "Nope".

Its very easy to "spy" on groups. Its not something I can control really. But honestly, does it need controlling? What could you possibly gain from spying on another group...

A little while ago, I even suggested making all group sections publicly available, since they really don't have much going on in them.

In essence what I'm saying, is spying is pretty useless, isn't it? No ones really hurt by it are they? And theres no real benefit from doing it.. right? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.


So what are groups for?
Well they're small little communities within the community. So you get that small town feel in a big town forum. Its also a way to get involved and make some friends. Most people don't want to get involved at that level, and thats cool too.

So if you want to spy... not sure why you would want to do that..
Please don't try to spam people's private forums or private chats though.

Whats your guys thoughts on this?

I think people feel betrayed. when they create something private they expect it to remain that way. not for someone to come in and give out secrets. in time people will get over it.

But what secrets did they have? The link to a chat channel :rolleyes:

I understand the privacy thing. I can look into making private sections more private, It might be possible, but I'm not sure at this point.

Meanwhile, is it possible for everyone to relax and carry on as normal? I don't think anything really changed...
Oh no! Stars knows that havok has a writer's corner in their private forum O.O

I don't know too much about it. In all fairness, maybe someone in Havok had something they posted in that group and wanted to keep it a secret because they only trusted Havok. I don't know why you'd want to do that, but it's a possibility.

Regardless, it's not cool to simply send someone to another group just so that you can see their private forum. >.>;; Come on. This is a huge forum of ERB fans. We're supposed to be friends. Snooping ain't cool.

As for the whole making group forums public thing, maybe groups should have two forums. One private, one public. Private so that groups can have their own little events and what not. V_V Public so that they can...I don't know. Not sure what the purpose of a group forum being made public would do. ._.

again I think it is more they feel betrayed, and were lyed to. its not bad for someone to come and go in groups, but it is bad just for someone to come in and spy. regardless if there is any secrets to learn. it is a breaking of trust. and when trust is broken it hurts and it upsets people. learning that you're being spyed on is pretty much learning someone does not trust you

It's also not what had been done; it's what the intentions were.

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Originally Posted by Incinirmatt

I don't know too much about it. In all fairness, maybe someone in Havok had something they posted in that group and wanted to keep it a secret because they only trusted Havok. I don't know why you'd want to do that, but it's a possibility.

Regardless, it's not cool to simply send someone to another group just so that you can see their private forum. >.>;; Come on. This is a huge forum of ERB fans. We're supposed to be fans. Snooping ain't cool.

As for the whole making group forums public thing, maybe groups should have two forums. One private, one public. Private so that groups can have their own little events and what not. V_V Public so that they can...I don't know. Not sure what the purpose of a group forum being made public would do. ._.

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I was never too sure of what the purpose of a group forum at all would do :laugh:

But yeah, we're an ERB forum. Groups are like 1% of that.

Its like, if someone was watching you watch TV... Why would anyone watch you watch TV :confused:
Why would anyone spy on a private group forum. Like its basically just people chilling.
Its like an off-topic section with just a few people instead of tons of people.

Oh my god. Did I really put "We're supposed to be fans"!? DX I meant friends. XP

Yeah, I don't know why for the spy. >.>

spies be spooky!

Heres an idea I just thought of.. not saying it will happen or how it will work in the end, just an idea I came up with just now..

What if we have a contest... the 'best' private section gets to give away a point in a contest. Maybe 2 points, not sure right now. Well get details later if you guys think this is a cool idea.
So just as a reminder, when you get 5 points, I'll buy you a tshirt or some ERB merch or something.

So we'll determine the 'best' private section by having a vote with all the private sections on the poll. Whoever gets the most votes wins.

Of course, contests cant be biased, so there can't be any concern about 'picking only havok members as winners in the havok section'... anyone would be able to win.

I don't really think theres much reason to have 'private' sections. I mean when I look at the private forums, I see most groups rarely post in them. Epicz's last post was Nov 17. Even Havok doesn't get that many posts.

So since groups are all about fun and friends. I think we can make them more fun.
Basically:
You get your own little forum, and anyone that is in any group can see it.
You try to make it as fun/active as possible. You want people to like it and want to hang out there.
Maybe have the section have some type of specialty about it. Maybe have some type of group games inside it.
Then, after lets say 2 months, we have a vote, and see which private section is the most fun. Then that private section gets to give away a point in their next game/fun thing/whatever/random giveaway.

Anyway, I didn't really think that out too much.
I'm going to bed, I have school in the morning :sleeping:

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Originally Posted by ERBoH

Heres an idea I just thought of.. not saying it will happen or how it will work in the end, just an idea I came up with just now..

What if we have a contest... the 'best' private section gets to give away a point in a contest. Maybe 2 points, not sure right now. Well get details later if you guys think this is a cool idea.
So just as a reminder, when you get 5 points, I'll buy you a tshirt or some ERB merch or something.

So we'll determine the 'best' private section by having a vote with all the private sections on the poll. Whoever gets the most votes wins.

Of course, contests cant be biased, so there can't be any concern about 'picking only havok members as winners in the havok section'... anyone would be able to win.

I don't really think theres much reason to have 'private' sections. I mean when I look at the private forums, I see most groups rarely post in them. Epicz's last post was Nov 17. Even Havok doesn't get that many posts.

So since groups are all about fun and friends. I think we can make them more fun.
Basically:
You get your own little forum, and anyone that is in any group can see it.
You try to make it as fun/active as possible. You want people to like it and want to hang out there.
Maybe have the section have some type of specialty about it. Maybe have some type of group games inside it.
Then, after lets say 2 months, we have a vote, and see which private section is the most fun. Then that private section gets to give away a point in their next game/fun thing/whatever/random giveaway.

Anyway, I didn't really think that out too much.
I'm going to bed, I have school in the morning :sleeping:

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What about Dark Rebelz?

I should do the same. Night, y'all. :D

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Originally Posted by The Batman

What about Dark Rebelz?

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Be patient, dude. ^^; He'll get to it.

Dear ERBoH

A group is a place to hang out with friends and share stuff you don't want to share with the rest of the forum. That's the MAIN reason why you don't want spies. What if you trust the group, and you share name, number, photos, and everything? I would leave the forum and never come back. That's why i want someone to be admin over the groups. I still think that Dion would fit the most. He's probably the most trustworthy member on this site (besides you). And he is not some kind of douche that would spoil secrets for his own entertainment. Also, you may think that groups is a very small part of this site, but this site has grown way larger than that. In the beginning, there was two topics.

Fan made stuff: Halloween pics, fan made raps.
ERBoH Discussion: You know what it is.

Now there's 15 topics, with sub-topics. 8 of the 15 topics has NOTHING to do with ERB's at all.
I would say that groups makes at least 15% of this site.

And i don't think we should have a group contest. Like i said before, it's a place to hang out and have fun with other members. If we have contests between the groups like that, I guarantee you that group rivalry will become an even bigger problem.

So, just to make my statement even more clear, A group is more than just "a secret organization". It's a place to have a good time with friends you trust, and share memories with them.

Thanks for your attention, that is all. /EDX

@ERBoH:

Usually, I'm against this, but why can't you unban Godfather? It was just a poor joke! What? Should we arrest George Lopez for making a living?

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Originally Posted by ERBoH

Hello everyone.
There seems to be some stuff going on, and the direction of groups, members, and justice seems to be blurred and is being debated by many.

I haven't read everything on the issue, if someone wants to give me a summary of some of the details feel free.
But I think Uprising has already offered a pretty good summary:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Uprising

In the words on many people...dis shit crayyy.

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As I understand it, God father orchestrated a spying operation aimed against Havok, a mission which B.S.B carried out.

I first learned of this a day or so ago, from Wumbo, my response was pretty much "is there even a point to spying on another group?" And his response was basically "Nope".

Its very easy to "spy" on groups. Its not something I can control really. But honestly, does it need controlling? What could you possibly gain from spying on another group...

A little while ago, I even suggested making all group sections publicly available, since they really don't have much going on in them.

In essence what I'm saying, is spying is pretty useless, isn't it? No ones really hurt by it are they? And theres no real benefit from doing it.. right? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I just have to state it loud and clear. I did not make BSB go and spy. I didn't even know he put the Havok chatroom until yesterday, and then someone posed as me in the Havok chatroom.


So what are groups for?
Well they're small little communities within the community. So you get that small town feel in a big town forum. Its also a way to get involved and make some friends. Most people don't want to get involved at that level, and thats cool too.

So if you want to spy... not sure why you would want to do that..
Please don't try to spam people's private forums or private chats though.

Whats your guys thoughts on this?

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Now! NOW! I did not specifically ask BSB to go and spy. It was... a joke. The End.

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Originally Posted by The Batman

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Originally Posted by ERBoH

Heres an idea I just thought of.. not saying it will happen or how it will work in the end, just an idea I came up with just now..

What if we have a contest... the 'best' private section gets to give away a point in a contest. Maybe 2 points, not sure right now. Well get details later if you guys think this is a cool idea.
So just as a reminder, when you get 5 points, I'll buy you a tshirt or some ERB merch or something.

So we'll determine the 'best' private section by having a vote with all the private sections on the poll. Whoever gets the most votes wins.

Of course, contests cant be biased, so there can't be any concern about 'picking only havok members as winners in the havok section'... anyone would be able to win.

I don't really think theres much reason to have 'private' sections. I mean when I look at the private forums, I see most groups rarely post in them. Epicz's last post was Nov 17. Even Havok doesn't get that many posts.

So since groups are all about fun and friends. I think we can make them more fun.
Basically:
You get your own little forum, and anyone that is in any group can see it.
You try to make it as fun/active as possible. You want people to like it and want to hang out there.
Maybe have the section have some type of specialty about it. Maybe have some type of group games inside it.
Then, after lets say 2 months, we have a vote, and see which private section is the most fun. Then that private section gets to give away a point in their next game/fun thing/whatever/random giveaway.

Anyway, I didn't really think that out too much.
I'm going to bed, I have school in the morning :sleeping:

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What about Dark Rebelz?

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Be patient Batman.

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Originally Posted by Epic Doctor X

Dear ERBoH

A group is a place to hang out with friends and share stuff you don't want to share with the rest of the forum. That's the MAIN reason why you don't want spies. What if you trust the group, and you share name, number, photos, and everything? I would leave the forum and never come back. That's why i want someone to be admin over the groups. I still think that Dion would fit the most. He's probably the most trustworthy member on this site (besides you). And he is not some kind of douche that would spoil secrets for his own entertainment. Also, you may think that groups is a very small part of this site, but this site has grown way larger than that. In the beginning, there was two topics.

Fan made stuff: Halloween pics, fan made raps.
ERBoH Discussion: You know what it is.

Now there's 15 topics, with sub-topics. 8 of the 15 topics has NOTHING to do with ERB's at all.
I would say that groups makes at least 15% of this site.

And i don't think we should have a group contest. Like i said before, it's a place to hang out and have fun with other members. If we have contests between the groups like that, I guarantee you that group rivalry will become an even bigger problem.

So, just to make my statement even more clear, A group is more than just "a secret organization". It's a place to have a good time with friends you trust, and share memories with them.

Thanks for your attention, that is all. /EDX

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Agreed.

I can dig that.