Death Battle: Superman vs Goku

[Lohuydahutt]

I'm not taking on count the advantages or disadvantages. If the original authors still lived and continued the story of superman with their vision, believe me, I'd take on discussion the x ray, the lasers, and everything they might have added. But, they lost it, a company managed superman and now we have the "American way" hero people like. As I said, everything that has happened with Superman since the lost of the copyrights is like Dragon Ball GT. Nothing that the author(s) stated or wanted. If you take on discussion non-canon stuff of course that superman would win even if he winks, and does it sound fair for you?

Except none of that means Superman's later work is non-canon. The original might be the IDEAL canon, but Superman as an intellectual property's canon is defined by who owns said intellectual property. That set-up may sound like the fairer set-up, but it's based off of a concept that's backed up by ideals, not facts (and not an ideal I feel inclined to agree with.)

[Red]

SO lets take different power level Goku's and different incarnations of Supes, and pit them against one another. Whether or not the original creators designed him one way or another, he has evolved, like Goku. Same with Batman. Are you going to say because Bob Kane didn't write nor condone a later incarnation of Batman, that it isn't valid? That's the thing about Manga/Comic book characters. We all have our different versions we prefer, often cherry picking certain traits of different incarnations, as many have done in CBM's.

So I am saying let's try to find some equality for both characters, like Ultimate Supes vs Ultimate Goku, or Superman at his inception vs Goku at his inception, so on and so forth.

Let me ask you something... there's a debate where you have to express and explain your point of view, it's just you in your side. In the other side you have someone else and if he fails, another one will appear with new statements against you. Is that fair for you? That's what I mean with the original author's visions. Superman has many that added powers with no explanation at all for them. And Goku has only one who took the time to explain them all. And as I said before: If the original authors still lived and continued the story of superman with their vision, believe me, I'd take on discussion the x ray, the lasers, and everything they might have added as part of the original development of Superman.

[Batman Heisenberg]

Let me ask you something... there's a debate where you have to express and explain your point of view, it's just you in your side. In the other side you have someone else and if he fails, another one will appear with new statements against you. Is that fair for you? That's what I mean with the original author's visions. Superman has many that added powers with no explanation at all for them. And Goku has only one who took the time to explain them all. And as I said before: If the original authors still lived and continued the story of superman with their vision, believe me, I'd take on discussion the x ray, the lasers, and everything they might have added as part of the original development of Superman.

NOTE that I said....

"So I am saying let's try to find some equality for both characters, like Ultimate Supes vs Ultimate Goku, or Superman at his inception vs Goku at his inception, so on and so forth."

See how I said Ultimate Supes vs Ultimate Goku and original Supes vs original Goku.... I am trying to say lets pit them at different times in their lives, original versions and newer and everything.

[xxDeadxPoolxx]

Red, why are you blatantly ignoring what's canon? That makes you ignorant. This isn't about then "original" Superman. This is a battle between current canon Superman vs current canon Goku. The fact that you continue this argument makes your argument null and void. If you cannot open your mind and be open to change, then you aren't going to get anywhere in this argument.

It's already be said, original Superman has been retconned.

As for Ult. Superman vs Ult Goku, Superman would still win because of his kryptonion race. Superman had no physical weaknesses. Goku does.

[Batman Heisenberg]

Red, why are you blatantly ignoring what's canon? That makes you ignorant. This isn't about then "original" Superman. This is a battle between current canon Superman vs current canon Goku. The fact that you continue this argument makes your argument null and void. If you cannot open your mind and be open to change, then you aren't going to get anywhere in this argument.

It's already be said, original Superman has been retconned.

As for Ult. Superman vs Ult Goku, Superman would still win because of his kryptonion race. Superman had no physical weaknesses. Goku does.

Seriously though, Superman is a god, Goku is a flawed character who always is evolving. While Goku has high power levels, Supes can just go to the sun.

[xxDeadxPoolxx]

Goku can't even go INTO the sun. Superman could spend an infinite amount of time in a sun. Superman is also infinitely more intelligent than Goku. Goku may be a genius in martial arts, but he's dumb as a board otherwise(learning to drive for example).

[Batman Heisenberg]

Goku can't even go INTO the sun. Superman could spend an infinite amount of time in a sun. Superman is also infinitely more intelligent than Goku. Goku may be a genius in martial arts, but he's dumb as a board otherwise(learning to drive for example).

As said in the DB, doesn't Supes have martial arts abilities to?

[xxDeadxPoolxx]

Yup. 2 kryptonion martial arts. Tor'quasim'ror and Tor'quasim'vo(pardon the spelling)

[Red]

Red, why are you blatantly ignoring what's canon? That makes you ignorant. This isn't about then "original" Superman. This is a battle between current canon Superman vs current canon Goku. The fact that you continue this argument makes your argument null and void. If you cannot open your mind and be open to change, then you aren't going to get anywhere in this argument.

It's already be said, original Superman has been retconned.

As for Ult. Superman vs Ult Goku, Superman would still win because of his kryptonion race. Superman had no physical weaknesses. Goku does.

Read again all the debate, there you have my answer.

and Eric... let's just say we haven't discuss anything.

And Lohuy... As I already said, what came after might be like taking on count Dragon Ball GT which I am not. Goku remains until SSJ3 (because for SSJ God mode he needs help yet) and Superman keeps the super strengh, the speed and everything the original authors got to consider for him. I'm sure there was gonna be a development for superman, but change authors was easier.

[Batman Heisenberg]

Yup. 2 kryptonion martial arts. Tor'quasim'ror and Tor'quasim'vo(pardon the spelling)

So Goku doesn't even have him on martial arts! Superman for the win!



Also, Red, we HAVE read your debate. It's just that you're making little sense, and just want Goku to have the better hand.