Death Battle: Superman vs Goku

[xxDeadxPoolxx]

I have been reading, since I started the debate. You choose to remain ignorant. Your argument is flawed and you refuse to accept factual evidence that refuted your argument.

So Goku doesn't even have him on martial arts! Superman for the win!



Also, Red, we HAVE read your debate. It's just that you're making little sense, and just want Goku to have the better hand.

"Superman was trained in Torquasm-Rao and Torquasm-Vo... which can be interpreted as "Hard" and "Soft" styles of Kryptonian Martial arts. Rao is more physical and offensive, Vo is more meditative, fluid, and spiritual (indeed, including a psychic or astral projection aspect which Lois used once and which Superman used to fight a psychic entity).

Given how esoteric that is, however, more modern stories simply focus on his combat experience and trained acquaintances who've passed on knowledge over the years. Just the sheer amount of combat Superman sees in his adventures should render him martially competent. Technique matters, certainly, but experience is probably the fastest teacher of technique."

Sniper from comic vines.

[Red]

I have been reading, since I started the debate. You choose to remain ignorant. Your argument is flawed and you refuse to accept factual evidence that refuted your argument.

Actually that's the reason that I'm no longer discussing with you or Eric. I'm not saying that Goku is better or something like that. Read again.

[xxDeadxPoolxx]

Actually that's the reason that I'm no longer discussing with you or Eric. I'm not saying that Goku is better or something like that. Read again.

Then what are you saying? Because your arguments aren't very well constructed if I can't make sense of them. And I debate as a hobby. Ask anyone here who knows how well I can debate.

Your main point has been "they didn't use original superman against current goku". That is the essence of what you are saying, which does not hold up.

And if you are refusing to debate with me or Eric, then you've essentially forfeit your argument. Myself, Eric and Loy always counter what you are saying, but you can't do the same to us. You cannot ignore us and expect to win an argument. It does not work like that.

[Red]

Then what are you saying? Because your arguments aren't very well constructed if I can't make sense of them. And I debate as a hobby. Ask anyone here who knows how well I can debate.

Your main point has been "they didn't use original superman against current goku". That is the essence of what you are saying, which does not hold up.

And if you are refusing to debate with me or Eric, then you've essentially forfeit your argument. Myself, Eric and Loy always counter what you are saying, but you can't do the same to us. You cannot ignore us and expect to win an argument. It does not work like that.

I am not trying to win anything. Plus, current Goku is still the original because his author is still working on him. No changes at all but DBGT which I'm not counting here. I'm still saying that Superman is a good rival for Goku, without all the powers that the new authors have been adding to him.

[xxDeadxPoolxx]

I am not trying to win anything. Plus, current Goku is still the original because his author is still working on him. No changes at all but DBGT which I'm not counting here. I'm still saying that Superman is a good rival for Goku, without all the powers that the new authors have been adding to him.

For the last time ORIGINAL SUPERMAN DOES NOT EXIST. He was retconned. As it stands, what Superman is now can be considered as "original" Superman.

The Superman you keep referring to, officially, canonically, DOES NOT EXIST.

This is what you can't except. This is why your arguments make no sense.

[Batman Heisenberg]

I am not trying to win anything. Plus, current Goku is still the original because his author is still working on him. No changes at all but DBGT which I'm not counting here. I'm still saying that Superman is a good rival for Goku, without all the powers that the new authors have been adding to him.

JUST because the original creator and writers don't write it anymore/facilitate it, DOESN'T mean that it isn't still the character. Batman has had writers a dime a dozen. So would you call Batman a gun wielding murderer/cheesy tongue-in-cheek 50's Batman? Probably not. HE EVOLVED. People like Neal Adams, Frank Miller and Scott Snyder have EVOLVED him into the character he is today. Evolving often means loss of writer, as sometimes a writers style doesn't fit the older version. I am not to familiar with Manga, but I am with comics. You're saying that Captain America never was anything but a World War 2 legend, not the man lost in time? Are the X-men still Beast, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Angel and Iceman? Was Dick Grayson always Robin, never evolving into Nightwing? Does Venom not exist, since it wasn't written by Stan Lee? Is Lex Luthor still a mad scientist with a full head of red hair, not a rich, powerful billionaire? You get the point. Just because the original writer didn't write it, doesn't mean it isn't still the character.

For the last time ORIGINAL SUPERMAN DOES NOT EXIST. He was retconned. As it stands, what Superman is now can be considered as "original" Superman.

The Superman you keep referring to, officially, canonically, DOES NOT EXIST.

This is what you can't except. This is why your arguments make no sense.

Well, technically, the "original superman" died with crisis, and post-crisis with DCnU.

Then what are you saying? Because your arguments aren't very well constructed if I can't make sense of them. And I debate as a hobby. Ask anyone here who knows how well I can debate.

Your main point has been "they didn't use original superman against current goku". That is the essence of what you are saying, which does not hold up.

And if you are refusing to debate with me or Eric, then you've essentially forfeit your argument. Myself, Eric and Loy always counter what you are saying, but you can't do the same to us. You cannot ignore us and expect to win an argument. It does not work like that.

I was like, WHO IS ERIC! And then, it so happened to be me! LOL!

I have been reading, since I started the debate. You choose to remain ignorant. Your argument is flawed and you refuse to accept factual evidence that refuted your argument.

"Superman was trained in Torquasm-Rao and Torquasm-Vo... which can be interpreted as "Hard" and "Soft" styles of Kryptonian Martial arts. Rao is more physical and offensive, Vo is more meditative, fluid, and spiritual (indeed, including a psychic or astral projection aspect which Lois used once and which Superman used to fight a psychic entity).

Given how esoteric that is, however, more modern stories simply focus on his combat experience and trained acquaintances who've passed on knowledge over the years. Just the sheer amount of combat Superman sees in his adventures should render him martially competent. Technique matters, certainly, but experience is probably the fastest teacher of technique."

Sniper from comic vines.

Yeah, he doesn't necessarily need martial arts abilities. His sheer strength and speed will render them usually useless. In the Man of Steel special features, Snyder said that he trained the actors for Zod, Faora and Jor-El to have martial arts capabilities, and Supes to be fighting a bit like a bit like a frat-boy. I thought it was a nice touch.

Actually that's the reason that I'm no longer discussing with you or Eric. I'm not saying that Goku is better or something like that. Read again.

WE HAVE. You want a Goku capable of SS4 to face a very underpowered Superman who can go no faster than 700 MPH and can't fly. That is pathetic in comparison. No matter how you dress it up, it's the truth. You can justify it all you want, but it makes no sense, and we should have the updated versions fighting. You quitting is just, in the end, helping prove the trifecta of us.

So, can we move past continuity and get to the main show? I think that we should pit the newest versions. Also, if we are, Superman totally wins. His suit gives him some saftey net or something... ANYWAY, HERE WE GO!!



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[Red]

sigh.... Eric.... Read again, not counting on SSJ4 and that picture is goku SSJ God mode, which I'm not counting on too because he needs help for that level. Anyway, the ERB said it all. xD

[xxDeadxPoolxx]

Not really.

[Batman Heisenberg]

Goku's second verse was false. Batman has NEVER beaten Supes in official verse. I thought the Man of Tommorow won. Also,

sigh.... Eric.... Read again, not counting on SSJ4 and that picture is goku SSJ God mode, which I'm not counting on too because he needs help for that level. Anyway, the ERB said it all. xD

Maybe not 4, but 3 you want...

Read again all the debate, there you have my answer.

and Eric... let's just say we haven't discuss anything.

And Lohuy... As I already said, what came after might be like taking on count Dragon Ball GT which I am not. Goku remains until SSJ3 (because for SSJ God mode he needs help yet) and Superman keeps the super strengh, the speed and everything the original authors got to consider for him. I'm sure there was gonna be a development for superman, but change authors was easier.

Superman never flew originally, and could go no faster than the speed of light... The "original author's vision". So you want someone who can't fly and very limited speed to face a Goku that is more matched for later Superman? Right.....