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    I believe the Hayden Planetary line could be a double reference. But it's more of a reference to Tyson being the Director of the Hayden Planetarium. and planets fly. And Fly is also a alternate way of saying cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PortlyLlama80 View Post
    I believe the Hayden Planetary line could be a double reference. But it's more of a reference to Tyson being the Director of the Hayden Planetarium. and planets fly. And Fly is also a alternate way of saying cool.
    Yeah, I knew about the Hayden Planetarium, I just liked the multiple meanings of the line. Probably should've mentioned that in the review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Sambama
    Quote Originally Posted by Dion
    wumbo write anotherfanfic now
    have nice peter come in
    "it's nice peter bitches"
    ""and i'm going to give you all my NICE PETER"
    and then peter visits the forum
    Quote Originally Posted by Dion
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    Quote Originally Posted by zyroda View Post
    there was a girl though once she told me she loved me she used to tell me that all the time
    she had this really adorable dog
    it was a boxer and it used to bark really loudly and throw howls in the night and never shut up and it kept her up and night before the big final exam

    and i just wanted her to do well on her exam so i shot the dog
    and all of a sudden im a bad guy

    and you don't love me anymore

    i'm so sorry i guess i never ever do a damn thing right

    everybody thinks i'm gonna cause problems

    nobody wants me with them cause they think i'm gonna do all this weird stuff that's gonna cause problems
    Quote Originally Posted by TDFE Confessional
    Quote Originally Posted by GonadtheNomad
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperRapz
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket
    Gogos are not 4 year old toys, they're a choking hazard.
    You Know What Else Is A Choking Hazard? My Penis. So you Better Stop Sucking On it So hard, Four Year Old. Make A New Thread For your Spam, You Stupid Bitch. We Try To have Fun Here. And Don't Jump On me About MLP, You Stupid little Fuck. Like YN Said, Go Get Tested Or Some Shit. I'm Tired Of Putting Up With You. Pie Licking Bitch, Go Shove A Pickle up Your Ass. Better Yet, A Banana.
    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Sambaba
    http://aattp.org/conservative-christian-rewrote-harry-potter-so-her-kids-wont-turn-into-witches/
    I'm not reading past the title

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    Here's my review of Wumbo's Dion vs. Rob (http://www.erboh.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post320183). Next is Ruth vs. Armstrong.
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    Dion: There could've been a better 2 Chainz reference, but it's nice to see it mentioned. The name color line is good and the anime line is pretty funny. The college line is a nice dis, the inactivity joke could've been better, and I like the last line. A few of the subjects mentioned here are moreso just mentioned than joked about, but there are some good lines in here. 8.5/10

    Rob: I'm not sure if I'm missing something with the supernova reference, but it seems kind of unrelated to anyone in the battle. The coconut water line is hilarious. The next two lines are OK, but the last two lines are really what earns this verse a good score. 9/10

    LAWLzoR: There are some nice opening lines, but then after the first two lines it's kind of downhill. There are some nice points made in the verse, but there isn't that much humor in the points. It's sort of like what I said about Dion's verse, except there's a bit more of it in this verse. 7.5/10

    Cogs: A strong middle with the stones line and the ponies gonna pwn line, then a bit of a weak middle, and a strong finish when it starts to get personal. Not the absolute best lines, but they hit some big points and are good for a laugh or two. 8.5/10

    Nicepeter: I found this the weakest verse, personally, because it was more about platitudes than clever lines. The simile and metaphor at the end of the verse are good, but the rest of it is more point-making than good rapping. 7/10

    Overall: There are definitely some huge laughs in this battle, which is more than I can say for pretty much all ERBs out there. At the same time, there are a few references and facts that seem to go without a joke, as well as a filler line here and there. Every line in the battle should be something that you could say outside of a rap battle just in a casual conversation and get someone to laugh or acknowledge the wit. You definitely have more of those than most battles, but improve the kinds of lines I mentioned and your battles would be some of the best on the site. 8/10

    Dion's Best Line: I'll beat you so bad, you'll change your name color to blue!
    Dion's Worst Line: You're hardly even active, know how many reports I close?
    Rob's Best Line: I'll beat your ass senseless till you gargle coconut water!
    Rob's Worst Line: My raps are like a supernova, but even hotter.
    LAWLzoR's Best Line: Dion! Let this doctor give you a Second Opinion
    LAWLzoR's Worst Line: Luckily I cured the boredom, you two phonies!
    Cogs' Best Line: The forum's finest is here, y'know, ponies gonna pwn!
    Cogs' Worst Line: I'll be adding all your hides to my wall of wins
    Nicepeter's Best Line: It's a community, not a battlefield... I am disappointed. See you soon.
    Nicepeter's Worst Line: I should kick all of your asses, but it wouldn't be worth the time.

    Final Results:
    Dion: 8.5/10 (equivalent to 17/20)
    Rob: 9/10 (equivalent to 18/20)
    LAWLZoR: 7.5/10 (equivalent to 15/20)
    Cogs: 8.5/10 (equivalent to 17/20)
    Nicepeter: 7/10 (equivalent to 14/20)

    Total Score: 48.5/60 (equivalent to 40.5/50)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Sambama
    Quote Originally Posted by Dion
    wumbo write anotherfanfic now
    have nice peter come in
    "it's nice peter bitches"
    ""and i'm going to give you all my NICE PETER"
    and then peter visits the forum
    Quote Originally Posted by Dion
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    Quote Originally Posted by zyroda View Post
    there was a girl though once she told me she loved me she used to tell me that all the time
    she had this really adorable dog
    it was a boxer and it used to bark really loudly and throw howls in the night and never shut up and it kept her up and night before the big final exam

    and i just wanted her to do well on her exam so i shot the dog
    and all of a sudden im a bad guy

    and you don't love me anymore

    i'm so sorry i guess i never ever do a damn thing right

    everybody thinks i'm gonna cause problems

    nobody wants me with them cause they think i'm gonna do all this weird stuff that's gonna cause problems
    Quote Originally Posted by TDFE Confessional
    Quote Originally Posted by GonadtheNomad
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
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    Honest Wumbabe
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperRapz
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket
    Gogos are not 4 year old toys, they're a choking hazard.
    You Know What Else Is A Choking Hazard? My Penis. So you Better Stop Sucking On it So hard, Four Year Old. Make A New Thread For your Spam, You Stupid Bitch. We Try To have Fun Here. And Don't Jump On me About MLP, You Stupid little Fuck. Like YN Said, Go Get Tested Or Some Shit. I'm Tired Of Putting Up With You. Pie Licking Bitch, Go Shove A Pickle up Your Ass. Better Yet, A Banana.
    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Sambaba
    http://aattp.org/conservative-christian-rewrote-harry-potter-so-her-kids-wont-turn-into-witches/
    I'm not reading past the title

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Luther King, Jr.
    Let no man pull you low enough to hate him.

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    After nearly a year since it was first uploaded to YouTube, I am finally prepared for you to review the classic Epic Rap Battles of History Documentary.

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    Here's my review of Babe Ruth vs. Lance Armstrong (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtO-6Xg3g2M). Next is Doctor House vs. Hippocrates.
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    Beat: Not too much not to like about this beat. It's undoubtedly very intense and it definitely sounds sportsy. It does get a bit repetitive eventually, the more I listen to it, but this beat still really runs the battle in a way most other beats don't. 8.5/10

    Impressions and Costumes: There isn't too much of Babe Ruth's voice still around today, but there's definitely an effort here, judging from what we do have. It also looks a lot like Babe Ruth so no complaints on his side. As for Lance Armstrong...it's really hard to say. Peter looks kind of like Lance but it's not dead ringer or anything. I kind of think it'd be better if he had his sunglasses on the whole time. Lance Armstrong also doesn't have a distinctive voice, so while Peter isn't masking his voice in any way, I don't really know how he would. I guess I don't have any real complaints here. 9/10

    Lance Armstrong-Round 1: The first line is a nice little pun, and the second line is hilarious, but then it's a bit weak for the next few lines. It doesn't really make any jokes until the French dudes line, which isn't that clever but it did make me laugh. The last two lines are OK, but they aren't brilliant or anything. 8.5/10

    Babe Ruth-Round 1: The second line is alright on it's own, but it's delivered perfectly after the cancer line. The third base line is hilarious, and the bracelet is even better. I liked that line the first time I heard it, but after a few listens I finally picked up on the bracelet reference and cracked up. The crotch line is OK, and the Tour de France line is kind of funny. I'm not sure whether I should call the pissed line a filler line or a set up line, but I don't like it either way. The last line is excellent though. Everyone loves Ruth's second, but this is my favorite verse of the battle. 9.5/10

    Lance Armstrong-Round 2: The pasta contest line is great. Then there's the training line, which is OK, but it seems to be boasting Ruth more than really insulting him, all things considered. I mean, he didn't need to bring up Ruth's fortune and fame, and he's not really talking about how he didn't deserve it or anything, he's just talking about how he could have even more, which is kind of lame. I love the flow in the second half of this verse, but in terms of quality lines, the only line here that I like on its own is the foul tipping line. The rest of it just sounds cool. I'll give it an extra half point for flow, but it's only got one or two good lines. 8/10

    Babe Ruth-Round 2: The bathing suit line is kind of amusing, but the Baby Ruth line is just awesome. They also did a pretty good job with the "calling a shot" reference that they obviously needed to make. The Sultan of Swat line is cool, but kind of obvious. The next few lines are just platitudes, nothing that clever. It's not like Tesla where the platitudes actually are kind of clever. These lines just feel more like ranting. I like the Sheryl Crow reference, while the fries line seems more about personality than dissing or making any sort of point. The last line is, of course, perfect. It wouldn't surprise me if they made this whole battle just so they could use that line. 8.5/10

    Overall: ERB might've made a mistake making this battle because of all the non-Americans who didn't know Babe Ruth, but for what it is, I really enjoyed it. There's a lot of personality in this battle and quite a few really big laughs in this battle. I don't really have any major complaints with it aside from the fact that Babe Ruth isn't well known to non-Americans. It's one of my favorites, but it's hard for me to call it one of the best for that reason. 8.5/10

    Lance Armstrong's Best Line: (You set records before black men could compete! Are you kidding me?) That's like having a pasta contest without Italy!
    Lance Armstrong's Worst Line: You're an orphan who found his way to fortune and fame!
    Babe Ruth's Best Line: (Third base with an Olsen twin! That's the sin, face it!) She's just a little girl! What, did you give her a bracelet?
    Babe Ruth's Worst Line: So come on, little buddy, don't look so pissed!

    Final Results:
    Lance Armstrong: 16.5/20
    Babe Ruth: 18/20

    Total Score: 60.5/70

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Sambama
    Quote Originally Posted by Dion
    wumbo write anotherfanfic now
    have nice peter come in
    "it's nice peter bitches"
    ""and i'm going to give you all my NICE PETER"
    and then peter visits the forum
    Quote Originally Posted by Dion
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    Quote Originally Posted by zyroda View Post
    there was a girl though once she told me she loved me she used to tell me that all the time
    she had this really adorable dog
    it was a boxer and it used to bark really loudly and throw howls in the night and never shut up and it kept her up and night before the big final exam

    and i just wanted her to do well on her exam so i shot the dog
    and all of a sudden im a bad guy

    and you don't love me anymore

    i'm so sorry i guess i never ever do a damn thing right

    everybody thinks i'm gonna cause problems

    nobody wants me with them cause they think i'm gonna do all this weird stuff that's gonna cause problems
    Quote Originally Posted by TDFE Confessional
    Quote Originally Posted by GonadtheNomad
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    SENT
    lies
    i never lie
    Honest Wumbabe
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperRapz
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket
    Gogos are not 4 year old toys, they're a choking hazard.
    You Know What Else Is A Choking Hazard? My Penis. So you Better Stop Sucking On it So hard, Four Year Old. Make A New Thread For your Spam, You Stupid Bitch. We Try To have Fun Here. And Don't Jump On me About MLP, You Stupid little Fuck. Like YN Said, Go Get Tested Or Some Shit. I'm Tired Of Putting Up With You. Pie Licking Bitch, Go Shove A Pickle up Your Ass. Better Yet, A Banana.
    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Sambaba
    http://aattp.org/conservative-christian-rewrote-harry-potter-so-her-kids-wont-turn-into-witches/
    I'm not reading past the title

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Luther King, Jr.
    Let no man pull you low enough to hate him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Can you review Clemi and I's new battle?

    http://www.erboh.com/forum/showthrea...288#post369288
    I don't see this in your op.

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    Coolio. Can you review my LeBron James vs Peyton Manning too?


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    Thanks peeps <3333

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I don't see this in your op.
    yeah, my Beck vs. Frost isn't there either.
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    Here's my review of Spartica4Real's Dr. House vs. Hippocrates (http://www.erboh.com/forum/showthrea...l=1#post368353). Next is Skrillex vs. Mozart.
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    Doctor House-Round 1: The first two lines are both very strong and get the verse going nicely. Then it's a bit slow until the end of the verse. It has a lot of references, but most of them just mention things and don't make jokes about them. The insulted line is great and the last line is alright too. 8.5/10

    Hippocrates-Round 1: The first line is sort of just a generic insult, and the vicodin addiction line is alright, but it seems to be more mentioning than making a clever joke. The rest of the verse is sort of like that, definitely getting in some insults, but it seems to be more sticking them in there than making any sort of wordplay or joke. 7/10

    Doctor House-Round 2: The Socrates line is alright, and the sound line is great. The third line is an alright dis on the Hippocratic method, but it's nothing brilliant or anything, and the last line is sort of just a generic insult. Another good verse here. 8.5/10

    Hippocrates-Round 2: The last line is pretty good, but aside from that, there aren't any jokes or wordplay or anything, it's just standard boasts and insults. It's probably the worst verse in the battle, but the last line saves it from being a bad verse. 7/10

    Overall: There are a few signs of rust here for sure, but there are also a few signs of experience from the past. There are definitely some nice insults and clever lines here and there, you just need to make more of an effort to get every line to be at least somewhere around that path. 8/10

    Doctor House's Best Line: You're the father of medicine, but somehow you're making me sick.
    Doctor House's Worst Line: I'm so smarmy, and handsome, you're so boring.
    Hippocrates' Best Line: I'd compare you to Holmes, but he's actually good at his game.
    Hippocrates' Worst Line: Everyone loves me, I'm so praised, I'm in the lead.

    Final Results:
    Doctor House: 17/20
    Hippocrates: 14/20

    Total Score: 39/50

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Sambama
    Quote Originally Posted by Dion
    wumbo write anotherfanfic now
    have nice peter come in
    "it's nice peter bitches"
    ""and i'm going to give you all my NICE PETER"
    and then peter visits the forum
    Quote Originally Posted by Dion
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    Quote Originally Posted by zyroda View Post
    there was a girl though once she told me she loved me she used to tell me that all the time
    she had this really adorable dog
    it was a boxer and it used to bark really loudly and throw howls in the night and never shut up and it kept her up and night before the big final exam

    and i just wanted her to do well on her exam so i shot the dog
    and all of a sudden im a bad guy

    and you don't love me anymore

    i'm so sorry i guess i never ever do a damn thing right

    everybody thinks i'm gonna cause problems

    nobody wants me with them cause they think i'm gonna do all this weird stuff that's gonna cause problems
    Quote Originally Posted by TDFE Confessional
    Quote Originally Posted by GonadtheNomad
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    SENT
    lies
    i never lie
    Honest Wumbabe
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperRapz
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket
    Gogos are not 4 year old toys, they're a choking hazard.
    You Know What Else Is A Choking Hazard? My Penis. So you Better Stop Sucking On it So hard, Four Year Old. Make A New Thread For your Spam, You Stupid Bitch. We Try To have Fun Here. And Don't Jump On me About MLP, You Stupid little Fuck. Like YN Said, Go Get Tested Or Some Shit. I'm Tired Of Putting Up With You. Pie Licking Bitch, Go Shove A Pickle up Your Ass. Better Yet, A Banana.
    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Sambaba
    http://aattp.org/conservative-christian-rewrote-harry-potter-so-her-kids-wont-turn-into-witches/
    I'm not reading past the title

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Luther King, Jr.
    Let no man pull you low enough to hate him.

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    Here's my re-review of Skrillex vs. Mozart (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Au0xCg3PI). Next is Ash vs. Darwin.
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    Beat: The beat met every single one of its extremely high expectations. Really intense, really catchy, fits both rappers perfectly and even does a nice blend of the two styles at the end, all without getting two repetitive with either style. 10/10

    Impressions and Costumes: Skrillex's voice is an effort, but it's not perfect. The cool thing now is that we have a side by side comparison between Lloyd's voice and Skrillex's voice in the live Mozart vs. Skrillex, and you can definitely hear the differences. I also don't like how they gave Mozart a generic British accent. Mozart was German Austrian, couldn't they have made him sound a bit Austrian? Costumes are perfect though, ESPECIALLY Skrillex. I think I had to double check to make sure it wasn't the real Skrillex when I first saw it. 8/10

    Skrillex-Round 1: The first line is just two generic song references, not really jokes, while the second line is a pretty clever song reference. The poop line is pretty dumb, but the magic flute line is pretty good. I like the random Family Circus reference, and the baroque pun is pretty good, even if the genius compliment is unecessary. The last two lines aren't that clever, but I'll give an extra half point for flow. 8.5/10

    Mozart-Round 1: The hiccup line isn't much of a reference, but it's hilarious. I think the prodigy reference is kind of out of place, not really related to either rapper. It'd be kind of cool if they just snuck it into a line in a subtle manner, but making it the whole punchline seems kind of off to me. The next line is filler, but the next three lines are all pretty great puns. The last line is kind of obvious, but it's not a bad line. 9.5/10

    Skrillex-Round 2: The first line is great, didn't pick up on that until a few days ago. Pretty disappointed by the bangarang line, but the self made man line is alright and the bass drop line is pretty great. As random as the Chernobyl reference is, it actually is pretty clever. The community theater line is pretty good, but the last line is kind of obvious. This verse has really grown on me, personally. 9/10

    Mozart-Round 2: I found the diarrhea line the funniest part of the battle, myself. Not a big fan of the drugs line, and my thoughts on the Ikea line are pretty much identical to my thoughts on the prodigy line. The piano-forteississimo bit is pretty funny, even if not too clever. The cubase line would be way better if they had worded it like "Why don't you drop that cubase and pick up a real bow", but hey, who am I to pitch lines to ERB. The last line is also funny, but there could've been a better joke about it. 8.5/10

    Overall: Just a really, really strong battle from every perspective. There are a lot of random references in this battle that seem unrelated to either rapper, as well as a few more filler lines than usual, but they're pretty much unnoticeable next to the incredible beat and the huge amount of laughs in this battle. 9/10

    Skrillex's Best Line: I attack, you decay, can't sustain my releases!
    Skrillex's Worst Line: You're a weirdo, Wolfie! You're into powdered wigs and poop!
    Mozart's Best Line: (Oh yes, I've heard that EP, and see I've transcribed it here) Tell me, what comes after the 68th measure of diarrhea?
    Mozart's Worst Line: What kind of drugs does it take to enjoy this? I've no idea!

    Final Results:
    Skrillex: 17.5/20
    Mozart: 18/20

    Total Score: 62.5/70

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    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Sambama
    Quote Originally Posted by Dion
    wumbo write anotherfanfic now
    have nice peter come in
    "it's nice peter bitches"
    ""and i'm going to give you all my NICE PETER"
    and then peter visits the forum
    Quote Originally Posted by Dion
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    Quote Originally Posted by zyroda View Post
    there was a girl though once she told me she loved me she used to tell me that all the time
    she had this really adorable dog
    it was a boxer and it used to bark really loudly and throw howls in the night and never shut up and it kept her up and night before the big final exam

    and i just wanted her to do well on her exam so i shot the dog
    and all of a sudden im a bad guy

    and you don't love me anymore

    i'm so sorry i guess i never ever do a damn thing right

    everybody thinks i'm gonna cause problems

    nobody wants me with them cause they think i'm gonna do all this weird stuff that's gonna cause problems
    Quote Originally Posted by TDFE Confessional
    Quote Originally Posted by GonadtheNomad
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Wumbo
    SENT
    lies
    i never lie
    Honest Wumbabe
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperRapz
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket
    Gogos are not 4 year old toys, they're a choking hazard.
    You Know What Else Is A Choking Hazard? My Penis. So you Better Stop Sucking On it So hard, Four Year Old. Make A New Thread For your Spam, You Stupid Bitch. We Try To have Fun Here. And Don't Jump On me About MLP, You Stupid little Fuck. Like YN Said, Go Get Tested Or Some Shit. I'm Tired Of Putting Up With You. Pie Licking Bitch, Go Shove A Pickle up Your Ass. Better Yet, A Banana.
    Quote Originally Posted by PolarBore
    Quote Originally Posted by Sambaba
    http://aattp.org/conservative-christian-rewrote-harry-potter-so-her-kids-wont-turn-into-witches/
    I'm not reading past the title

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Luther King, Jr.
    Let no man pull you low enough to hate him.

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